When people on the boards started asking about
Krylon 1613 being discontinued, maybe I over reacted, but I'm one that has just got to know. So I wrote a letter to Krylon to get any insight that may present a solution to Krylon discontinuing 1613 Ford Semi-Gloss Black. To most enthusiasts, the issue isn’t important, and that’s okay, but all hardcore hot-rodders and enthusiasts know that there can be NO substitute to OEM.
So in the quest to find on my own a substitute for 1613, I have done some tests on my own and have come up with more questions than answers. This may seem tedious, but it will be helpful for this board and anyone else that would like to know what the correct color and reflectivity for Ford Semi-Gloss Black is. Just go look under your hood if you think that this is something that you and other might like to know.
I first searched for the Krylon at all the local auto parts and hardware stores and had no luck finding 1613 but I did pick up a can of Krylon 51613 which is their 'Satin' black. Also, I went to Pepboys and no Krylon 1613, but I did find a Dupli-Color Ford specific Semi-gloss Black DE1635. It may be a high-temp paint, but who cares—more protection the way I see it.
I went through some of my untouched parts, meaning that they are as they were when I took them off my car and found a cowl brace with still good paint on it. I did a test with the K51613 and it is no way even close to the OEM sheen found on the Ford under the hood parts. I also tested the Dupli-Color DE1635 Ford Semi-Gloss Black side by side with the original color applied by Ford and it is very close.
I have searched the internet for any information on the subject and most companies just call their product "Under the Hood Semi-Gloss Black" This may be okay for Chevy fans but it's not okay if you're a Mustang enthusiast! One of the companies that I did some research with was the Eastwood Company and many of you know them well and have used their products. One very good point that I thought Eastwood brought up was that their paint, unlike what they call "hardware store paint" is not as thick.
Well after doing my own test on the cowl brace the one thing that kind of jumped out at me was that the D-C DE1635 AND the K 51613 went on heavy and for the sake of not wanting to obliterate stamped numbers and tooling marks made by FOMOCO in ‘67 on my ‘68 Mustang, I decided to buy some of the Eastwood paint and just see what's what.
I just ordered the paint so that part of this ongoing research is not complete, please be patient, I'll be the one out of control. So last night I decided to see if Eastwood Co. had any other information on their website and discovered
their forum and in the
Shop Talk I did find many people that are dissatisfied with some of their product (read for yourselves). Most of the complaints evolve around their rust encapsulating products. There was one thing that I found to be of value- this was the "
dry edge" which was topic for explanation by one of their tech guys.
Generally it is my opinion that dry edge is caused by thin or too few pigments in the paint causing it to want to crawl back from a sharp edge and you'll see this effect more often on stamped steel parts that DO have the cut edge. I don't however see this as a big problem as far as authenticity is concerned because I believe that the 'Big 3' also had this problem because most of the time this is where you'll find rust forming so their paint may have been the thinner stuff too.
I will do some testing on the Eastwood product when I get it and let you know the results, I still have one more untouched cowl brace to work on and will bring you some photos of all my findings. So this will be an ongoing R&D for the use of guys that want nothing but the finest for their restoration.
For those who are interested in the company correspondence, here is the response from Krylon:
Quote:
Case # 53613-071408
Title: Krylon 1613 and 1612
7/14/2008 11:29:10 AM [Agent Note]
Hi Steve,
Thank you for your inquiry with the Krylon website. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.
The 1613 Semi-Flat Black is still available through Krylon Industrial, and I know that Grainger still sells it through their website. I can't recommend a substitute in the Krylon line for this product, however.
Here's the link to the product on Grainger's website.
Thank you again for your inquiry. If you have any other questions, please let me know.
Sincerely,
Eric
Krylon Product Support
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Below, I've attached my first test run-- see the attached photo. So what do you guys think? What are you using now that 1613 is discontinued?
*UPDATE* Because I've taken this on I will periodically be updating this thread.
I got to thinking that if I'm going to have a good test subject then it would more accurate if I had a good test subject. So I was out and about today and decided to stop by a local automotive/autobody supply store and look at some paint chips. The true and accurate color for Ford Mustang 'under the hood' is not semi-gloss black but rather
low-gloss black, and it's a lacquer, that's right out of the PPG color chip book for 68. I decided that if we are going to make this 100% accurate then I would need to get a pint of this color and first do a comparison on one of my old parts still in original condition, and I did, the paint is still drying, I'll let you know soon.
Ok, paint has dried and I'm very happy to report that I have the results with the 9295 that I wanted. I have a hard time telling where the new paint ends and the old paint begins, and conclusively I can say that this paint is a 100% OEM match with Ford's original under the hood low-gloss black. Now that I have that I will wait for my Eastwood and Krylon paints to arrive and give you those findings...
The information on the can is....
DURACRYL
DIA9295
For: OEM JASA FORD 9295 Low-Gloss Black
The palce I got it was, if you're interested,
Wesco Autobody Supply
Everett, WA 98208
425-252-3144
But they have stores throughout the PNW, WA, OR, ID. Now that I have this I'll load up my detail gun, spray some parts and see what comes closest to the original color in the bomb can, Eastwood, Dupli-Color, Krylon, etc. This way for those that do not have access to a spray gun will at least have access to the bomb can version. BTW, Wesco also said that they could put this pint I purchased into bomb cans (about 4) and could get out the door right around $100.00, at $50.00 a pint I figured I spent enough. This is not a plug for Wesco and I'm sure that if you were to take those numbers that I provided to your local autobody store they could mix you up a batch. Please keep watch on this thread for updates, thanks...
Interesting 'How too' from Dupli-Color,
Dupli-Color® FAQs also their website
Dupli-Color : Yes You Can
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